A conversation with a friend… (unedited)

(2:10:43 PM) Cameron: Hey, whatcha up to boss?
(2:10:48 PM) Art (Gmail): Working.
(2:10:53 PM) Cameron: ah ok :-*
(2:11:04 PM) Art (Gmail): What
(2:11:22 PM) Cameron: Was gonna ask a philosophoscientifc question
(2:11:33 PM) Art (Gmail): ok, ask,
(2:11:56 PM) Cameron: Did man invent trees?
(2:12:02 PM) Cameron: (multipart question)
(2:12:34 PM) Art (Gmail): no, we invented the word for trees.
(2:13:00 PM) Cameron: did man invent the means to measure trees? (inches, feet, meters, whatever)
(2:13:03 PM) Art (Gmail): Would a rose by any other name smell just as sweet?
(2:13:48 PM) Art (Gmail): And no, we didnt invent the means to measure it, we just quantified it. Man agreed that a unit of measurement would equal a certain distance, therefore we have something to base other things off of.
(2:13:59 PM) Cameron: right, the quantifying thereof
(2:14:16 PM) Cameron: did man invent the quantifying thereof time (seconds, minutes, hours)
(2:14:46 PM) Art (Gmail): I see where you are going with this, and no we didnt invent time.
(2:14:58 PM) Cameron: why are so many silly people convinced we did?!
(2:15:53 PM) Art (Gmail): We simply agreed upon a way to determine a way to figure out when action A happened in relation to action B. We didnt invent the period between, just how we think about it.
(2:15:59 PM) Cameron: right!
(2:16:19 PM) Art (Gmail): So yes, we invented the measurement of time.
(2:16:31 PM) Cameron: This nut on the internet talking about universal origins states time as a fundament of nature is wholly in our head and not real
(2:16:45 PM) Art (Gmail): its on the internet… really…
(2:16:46 PM) Cameron: or rather, “Remember, time is an invention of Man, not God.”
(2:17:00 PM) Cameron: to me, thats like my first question, saying man invented trees!
(2:17:12 PM) Art (Gmail): I would argue “The measurement of time is an invention of Man, not God.”
(2:17:23 PM) Cameron: yes but not time itself
(2:17:29 PM) Cameron: a change of state
(2:17:33 PM) Cameron: from one instance to another
(2:17:41 PM) Cameron: we just measure the change
(2:17:46 PM) Art (Gmail): Agreed. We couldnt have invented that. Seems simply impossible.
(2:17:47 PM) Cameron: we dont ‘make’ the change
(2:18:15 PM) Art (Gmail): Well, we are “part” of the change and we affect the change therefore “making” the change, but we didnt start it in motion.
(2:18:36 PM) Cameron: its not like coffee, that i can choose to make or not make in the morning
(2:18:48 PM) Cameron: i dont really have much choice in the matter of time.
(2:18:58 PM) Cameron: if i did, id be a master theif
(2:20:05 PM) Art (Gmail): well, I would argue you can choose to combine certain elements in the hope that it is what we determine is coffee, likewise we can choose to “make time” for things, which is what society agreed is just setting aside moments in time that we can use for what we determine is valued.
(2:20:26 PM) Art (Gmail): We dont “make” coffee… it has already been made, we just put it together.
(2:20:27 PM) Art (Gmail):
(2:20:32 PM) Cameron: yes but we dont actually make it, we just allocate it
(2:20:44 PM) Art (Gmail): agreed. see previous point.
(2:20:57 PM) Cameron: you dont combine sugar and grinds and make 2 minutes appear where they didnt before exist!
(2:21:10 PM) Art (Gmail): can you prove that I dont?
(2:21:14 PM) Cameron: i guess not
(2:21:35 PM) Art (Gmail): and besides, quite simply, sugar and grinds are not the right ingredients for time.
(2:21:40 PM) Art (Gmail): Silly.
(2:21:44 PM) Cameron: oh
(2:21:49 PM) Cameron: peanut butter and lemons?
(2:22:13 PM) Art (Gmail): Sorry not right either, but that does make a rather interesting alcohol on the plane of Emerdraik.
(2:23:15 PM) Cameron: i know how to make time
(2:23:20 PM) Cameron: MONEY
(2:24:03 PM) Art (Gmail): You see good sir, we do not make things that already exist, we simply “use” them to our desires. We “use” time to do what we want. We “use” the components of sugar and grinds to make what we call “coffee.” They were there before us and will continue to exist long after humans. They (time, elements, and other things of that nature) are just better than us. True story.
(2:24:33 PM) Cameron: Can we make ideas?
(2:24:53 PM) Cameron: or are we just stealing electrons from other parts of the universe and arranging them differently in our brain?
(2:24:54 PM) Art (Gmail): But I will ask you this, if we are just using what is already there, then are our thoughts already “thought” for us, we are just “using” them?
(2:25:15 PM) Art (Gmail): Stupid head, get out of my philosophical head.
(2:25:17 PM) Art (Gmail):
(2:25:32 PM) Cameron: Therefore I have concluded that anyone who comes up with original ideas is a thief against the universe, punishable by death.
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(2:26:30 PM) Art (Gmail): ./agreed. One thing though, YOU have to prove the “idea/thought” was stolen first. That whole “innocent until proven guilty” thing.
(2:26:50 PM) Art (Gmail): and who says the “universe” owned it in the first place?
(2:30:53 PM) Art (Gmail): I would argue that we are all apart of the universe, thus on the same team, so it’s more like “borrowing” than stealing. Additionally, I don’t recall you being appointed the “police” of the universe therefore your “punishable by death” theory (which mind you was A.) stolen (death to you) and B.) is unenforceable except by the appropriate authorities) is null and void.
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(2:30:55 PM) Art (Gmail):
(2:32:08 PM) Cameron: i am the police of the universe
(2:32:08 PM) Cameron: [[Badge of Universal Police]]
(2:33:19 PM) Art (Gmail): I do not recognize your authority, I demand diplomatic immunity for I am acting on behalf of the individual called “Brian G.” and he has acquired universal independence.
(2:33:32 PM) Art (Gmail): </pwnage>
(2:33:52 PM) Cameron: Nonsese, 8% of your bodymass is from matter originating from my base-star
(2:34:00 PM) Art (Gmail): I demand proof.
(2:34:01 PM) Cameron: I will grant you DI if you give back that mass.
(2:34:06 PM) Cameron: [[Proof]]
(2:34:08 PM) Art (Gmail): Sure, open your mouth.
(2:34:20 PM) Cameron: that’s more like 0.5% of your mass
(2:34:32 PM) Cameron: actually
(2:34:34 PM) Cameron: DAMN
(2:34:39 PM) Art (Gmail): [[Inserts 8% of bodymass into Cameron's mouth]]
(2:34:39 PM) Cameron: even 0.5% is a lot if you think about it
(2:34:43 PM) Cameron: i mean
(2:35:03 PM) Art (Gmail): btw, this discussion is going on my blog. This is pretty win.
(2:35:07 PM) Cameron: im 160 lbs, so 0.5% would be… .8, 4/5 of a pount
(2:35:09 PM) Cameron: d*
(2:35:35 PM) Cameron: If someone was overweight, like 400 pounds, they’d have a 2 pound dong.
(2:36:13 PM) Art (Gmail): You demanded 8%, therefore I must give you that 8%. That includes such things as Fecal matter (which is what you’re base star is made of, so valid matter right there) and various other entities which I shall promptly insert into you.
(2:45:37 PM) Art (Gmail): Good sir, are you prepared to accept the 8% of my matter so that I may gain my Diplomatic Immunity?
(2:47:36 PM) Cameron: sec
(2:47:41 PM) Cameron: retarded shit at work
(2:47:54 PM) Art (Gmail): lol fine.